Today we will talk about bans, so first of all I will ask you to read the community rules once again, especially the very first one:
READ. If you haven't read it, don't be surprised about your gag.
New bans on servers
As you may have noticed, our forum topic about bans has become very active over the past week. The reason is a new check, which concerns the so-called null script, which can release keys during strafes, saving players from overlaps, that is, simultaneous pressing of two strafe keys. Also, new keyboards with the snap tap function have a similar effect. According to our rules, the use of such scripts/functionality is prohibited, since it affects the physics of the game. Thus, all issued bans are correct, the records of all banned players will be removed in a few days, the next ban for them will be reclassified as permanent.
News on Kreedz.com about skArp and outside
Following the news on Cosy-Climbing, in which
skarp and
outside were banned for using cheats, there was a newspost on Kreedz.com, in which
skarp was removed from his position as the main demochecker, while the investigation against him is ongoing. Since
skarp is our demo checker as well, I also looked into the situation and requested information from the demo checkers of Kreedz.com. In the end, no specific evidence was provided, only the general direction, according to which I checked the demos of
skarp myself and did not find anything even remotely close to the stated reason for the ban. I will not give details here and below, since I keep the discussion of demochecking details exclusively within the specialized chats. I've already conveyed my position and arguments to the new head of Kreedz.com
poker.
According to
outside in the same newspost a check proposed by
skarp was mentioned, which, however, according to the post, will not be taken into account by their admins, since another check of
outside will soon take place with the personal participation of the former head of Kreedz.com
ShoCk. However, it would be appropriate to show a video of the check that was conducted the other day along with a comment from
skarp (again, at my request, without details on demochecking). This is also necessary because I have repeatedly received private messages with videos of suspicious mouse movements noticed in the demos of
outside, and this video also pays special attention to this issue. In the description on YouTube, you can download the demos recorded during the whole process. Regarding the ban of
outside in our community – in the democheckers' chat dedicated to this issue, I did not see any specific evidence of cheating. At the moment, the ban is based on private chats and the personal opinion of the majority of democheckers, which in my opinion should not be considered a sufficient reason for a ban on KZ-Rush. So, the video itself and the comment to it:
skarp:
Hello everyone, I’d like to clarify some things regarding the "outside" case.
To keep everything as transparent as possible and leave no questions, "outside" recorded the entire process from start to finish. He completely shut down his computer, started recording on his phone, and only then turned the PC back on. Everything that happened next was captured on video.
✅ After system boot:
- Launched OBS and started screen recording.
- Opened "services.msc" and showed all system services, scrolling through them to the end before closing it, to avoid any questions about "extra" processes or services running on his computer.
✅ Next:
- Completely reinstalled CS, saving his config separately to avoid any questions about unauthorized files in the game directory.
Launched GameGuard (client-side anticheat: https://gameguard.ac/) after installing a clean version of the game.
- Downloaded and added the go_fastrun and fastrun maps to CS in real-time.
✅ Gameplay process:
- Launched CS and joined the downloaded maps.
- Started recording a demo on each map and completed all jumps as usual (while maintaining the same movement patterns seen in his WR demos on Cosy-Climbing— in other words, his patterns matched those in his demos before his ban on Cosy-Climbing).
✅ Final stage:
- Closed CS and then GameGuard (everything recorded).
- Stopped OBS recording and finished the video.
⚡ Important:
- "outside" did not stop the phone recording until the very end, ensuring that everything was captured without any cuts or edits.
- Everything was done as openly as possible to eliminate any doubts.
- Also, a very important thing: GameGuard initially blocks scrolling with the mouse wheel, as it is prohibited in regular CS without any mods (KZ, HNS, etc.). Therefore, I asked the lead developer of this client-side anticheat to unlock this function "outside" so that it could be used for ducking on the mouse wheel, but only in New Game (LAN).
My opinion on this case remains the same — you all know it. I do not believe that "outside" cheated or used third-party programs in his demos.
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Mozart
The best I've ever seen throughout KZ history, probably.
Maybe for like 3rd time I'll be serious as well.
It's kinda sad that people oversee the simple things that are at hand. The focus is so off these days, it's hard to see simple things that are most likely blurring our vision. But why? Is it a problem of one person who's in charge, or is it what we truly 'ultimately' became along the way? Did the head demo admin fucked things up so badly that the entire KZ community is lost forever? I highly doubt it. It's people around who spread false rumors, have these indescribable ideas of someone cheating because... well, they can't really tell. They just feel it, you know? Like telepaths. It's the same old song when one is able to say 'HE'S CHEATING' just by spectating another within 5-minute timeframe.
What the fuck all this thing has become even? Pathetic.
Kudos to Kpoluk and lxr though, huge respect for standing their own ground. kz-rush was bigger than XJ for me since quite a long time; but after news posts like these, it has become even bigger.
Much love.
If we start unsubstantiated labeling, we slide into a situation where any strong player becomes a suspect and potential cheater.
Many times we have written that we need concrete evidence. And just as many times we get some vague wording, obscure videos, opinions of other players. But not once have we been provided with any specific details in specific demos. In this case I again see that XJ democheckers did not bother to share the results of their work with us, and once again limited themselves to some vague phrases, which in practice are not confirmed in any way.
The very idea of testing in the real world once again proves that there is no concrete evidence and there are only some indirect criteria they use to make a decision they themselves are not sure of.
I don't think you understand the real issue. It's not whether outside is cheating or not, it's that we've reached a point where the whole demochecking thing descends into absurdity. If we assume that there are programs/plugins that allow mass recording of demos and still pass democheckers check, then this is a common problem for all KZ communities, which should be fought together. And not to say something like: “We have undeniable evidence, but we won't tell you the details”. This is a way to nowhere. Because then there is no way to check other players. We'll just roll back to some circumstantial evidence.
@Kpoluk, а Fiveshot предоставил основания для бана? или они -- и есть его субъективные предположения с недостаточным обоснованием?
Как пояснил мой товарищ, это софт, который они с еще одним парнем пилят для Китайцев, потому что те платят уверенную монету и не рублями.
Суть его заключалась в том, что он может склеивать части разных демо, собирая их в единый перфект ран. Собственно поэтому демка и оказалась чистая.
Помню еще модавского мальчика ханеесера, которому этот софт сливали на тест. Он кстати спалился на этом ресурсе.
Но то дела давно минувших дней. В том что @Kpoluk прав и ребята играют по факту без дерьма, не сомневаюсь. Но стоит отметить, что мои Уральские товарищи из 2016 очень настойчивые ребята и, как мне кажется, все-таки допилили тот софт. Проектное название было мувментрекордер.
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Thx at @Kpoluk for all the effort into building and maintaining this community.
However, I also agree with the frustration.
I'm not frustrated for myself(since I'm not really competing with WR's), but rather for others who want to compete with fairness
Moreover, I will address all cheaters here:
You might think that it's not a big deal what you are doing, but you are effectively destroying other people's morality and influence them to give up on fairness. Even if it's just a game, you cannot separate unfair actions from reality.
Please rethink what you are doing, before you regret it later in life
You can't undo injustice, but at least you can change your mind and go the right way.
God bless you!
If you have proof - share it and he will be banned, maybe we don't have all the information that you have
@confu
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- fastrun done in 00:25.02 outside
So he made a 50 minute video to prove that he *can't* recreate his best times? (or even get close to them)? I don't understand why people are debating the quality of AC used, when the best ddrun time is 3.5 seconds slower. Please correct me if I'm missing something.
MyAC - developed by completely different people and it wasn't like GameGuard even close^^
I say this because i've seen the evidence myself, i know demo admins have seen it too, and, i can assure you, there's no ambiguity to whether outside's demos are cheated or not. So i am really, REALLY lost right now as to why we are going in the direction we're going.
I've read the community rules and i hope i abided by them well, justice be with me, therefore i'll make my point in detail someplace else for the people to hear.
Initially this was supposed to be a short comment, but as i was making it, i realized that i should express my gratitude as thoroughly as my frustration, for it to be fair. However, my disappointment is immeasurable, and it seems like things will stay this way for a while, whether we want it or no.